Personally, I think you are an idiot, this post was complete crap. FYI, I liked Ocean's 12... A lot. The only reason you didn't like it is because it was way to intellectual for you. There was aspects of the movie that people who didn't like it, didn't catch. So, before you diss a movie, watch it. I will admit though, your plots for 14, and 15 were pretty good, especially the John Basedow thing.